 I'll try it for 3 times and at least I I had someone on the phone, so okay. Yeah, I couldn't stop. It's no problem. Ii hope you solve the your the issues with the hospital. Yeah. Okay, this call is for our follow up interview about the reusable packaging research. How do you feel about using the reusable meal cup in your home? The first thing that of what stride leave us, let it look so different in the um. How do you say in your apartment there or here in my cupboard? And then when I put it in the cupboard, I thought it looks very clean. It looks very aa little bit medical, just as if you put your medicine in it, it looks like a pot for or for things for medicine or things like that and this is. 
Uh uh perhaps a bit because of the white color, and perhaps also the measure of it. 
A small one, but that is also what I thought. Oh it doesn't look so nice as I thought um next to the things I have myself, the polls, but these kids, myself. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why we let you to bring the cop back home, because sometimes in the laboratory, you feel it's quite uh okay in that environment. 
But after you take it back home, you will feel it's a bit weird. Yeah, it's really different. So I didn't expect it. It works very well, mostly at night. We get some of the all cookies out of it. The container itself is very, yeah, it's okay, it's always fresh and uh. It remains fresh and it's good to easy to claim. So these are the good things, but the thing is how it looks like in the in the normal in my setting that might as a bit. Yeah. Not fitting very well. Yes, I can imagine that. And may I ask, where did you store the cup in europe, in the government near the cookies? 
Okay, so it's uh, the cardboard. So it's not available from the outside, right? Yeah, you can't see it. No, it's only when they open it. Yes. And how do you compare it with your other food containers because? I think you perhaps have some several other food containers beside it. I have some, yeah, big foot containers for mostly and for things like that. 
Mhm. And half a mod porridge things. Okay. They are very high and small and you can look through it. Yeah, they all also you can look. So you see what's inside are we. Still, something left mhm. That's a good idea that you can see through it. Yeah. Yeah, and they are this more in. How do you say they are not around, but the accounts, how do you say? In the square, the re retigular? You mean, the cube like? Yeah. 
That is also easy to put next to each other. You can feel the covered like that. And this one is perhaps good for, yeah, also to put it onto each other and one run are small and round. You can put them onto each other when I and I compare them. 
I think for a large package, the this more square thing is very handy for the cover um. And around is for, yeah, I don't know what I think the the the square of form is perhaps more handy. Yeah. The square one could like save some space in the cupboard. So the round one, yeah. I understand. So after you finish the cookies in the car, how in the cup? How do you clean the real spock cup? Just washing by hand wash my hand. Did you use some soap or some the normal liquid? So for the washing things, yeah. Yeah do, you feel it's easy to clean it. Yes. Very easy to clean, very easy to clean and to dry. And yeah, because it's lost. It has no. Yeah. How did you make it dry to the towel tower? 
Okay, if that is possible in our real life, would you like to shop again using the system? If uh if, I think for the to go to a shop and to fill it again, I think it is it is practical because I noticed that it's very light to bring with you. That's why I wouldn't like to bring glass, glass and, pots, and things like that. Yeah. Man. So for the shopping part, it's a good idea. But when I see it in, yeah, perhaps when you have more of them in your cupboard, then you are used to it, but now it's one and it's next to yeah yeah. Yeah, that is different, or of you have to get used to it? 
Yeah, that's actually my next question. Because last time you only brought one small cup with cookies. And could you imagine if you had brought back several reusable clubs, perhaps in the different size? And with the different products, then you will have a lot of reusable cups at home. So how would you prepare for your next shopping with the cops? The thing is there have to be empty. So you first have to empty them a complete, and then you can you know to empty everything. That's also you have to another, you have to get used to that. Because when you go shopping, one product will be half finished and the other is empty. So then you go and you want to go shopping once. Then you were. 
Now where do you leave for the rest? When you think I now I need more perhaps then you buy anyone in the shop. And and you empty your one and then you bring it next time. That's a bit of low holistic thinking. Normally you leave your package at home when it's 1/2 finished and with rice or so. And then you think i've not enough, because i've guessed tonight I need more by anyone. Now you do go and a you buy first and new books and then the neo full of rice. 
So that's another way of thinking. Yes. You need some space in your cupboard, too, because then you have two of the pots of rice. I can imagine if there are just some not too much left in your containers, so you need to buy more, but still you don't know how to deal with the rice left in the containers. 
Yeah. I see not enough because of more people than what do I do with the left? What is left in the put? I want to refill the problem, but there's still something left. That's a little bit. I don't know if I don't need one who thinks like that. But uh uh. Yeah, perhaps then you buy just buy a new part. But what you wouldn't want is that you have everything twice, because you you didn't finish it, then you buy anyone that doesn't work in the cupboard. Yes, sure. Some other participants also mentioned this. 
Some of them said perhaps it it would be good if they can only use the the reusable plastic bags to refuel the product, and they don't need to always take the containers. So they can transform the rice from the reusable bags to the containers. Yeah yeah, I think a it's a very, very interesting.because uh only if the consumers use it at home, they will notice this problem. Otherwise in the luxury we can never imagine how to deal with that. If something is still left, that's very, very clever and. 
So, okay, yeah, I will keep this in size in mind, and then we try to figure out how to solve it. Yeah. So I remember last time you said when you go to the supermarket, you will prefer to reuse the same cops rather than return it, right? Just like you also mentioned, yeah. Will you also try yourself containers with the system? If I did use this one yeah? No, because I don't know where to feel it. You mean that I go to the supermarkets with this container? No, I will you also try to use yourself container to refuse the product, because that is not also possible in the system? 
Iii I didn't try, but it is your question. That's not your question. Your question is, if I would do that, yes. 
Yes. But then I have to think very hard. However, because you have to wait to, yeah, and you first do the weight of the of the can, and then you feel it. Yeah. Yeah. That's possible for me, too. Yeah. Okay, then, so do you feel your actions in using the system will have an environmental benefits as an individual. I it's not an individual. Yeah. So do you feel you are contributing to the environment when you use the system? And um, how do you say the thought of it of reusing? That's gives me the idea of being good for the environment. But ii I didn't study at the, how do you say the costs and things that the whole system costs? Mhm for, the environment? Iii didn't study on that this. 
So iiii don't know the facts. 
You mean, because of you don't know the cost behind the system. So you are not very sure about if you are really contribute to the ground. Yeah, that's why we have these questions, because now we also have the feelings. The communication of the sustainability in the system is not visible for the consumers. 
So perhaps as individual, we don't really know if we are really contribute to the environment. Yeah, that's exactly it's good to know that you also have the dots on it after having use the system and the cop. Do you feel different towards buying products in single use packaging? When you go to the supermarket? After this research? Or when you go to the supermarket, not not not very much at this, mostly and works for me. Like that's fruits and green things. How do you say the green and the fruits? Then? 
Then I am aware of not using a back or the vegetables, festivals, the hotel. I don't know how to they made index quota who to fight vegetables and fruits and but in the other products, i'm still yeah, thoughtless. Ii buy aa package of rice. Yeah. Ii didn't think of it at the past weeks, okay. Yes. Then it's my last question. Could you imagine this will become our uh? Main shopping approach for groceries in the future? Some system like this, yeah, I can imagine, so perhaps in the future that most of the packaged product on the shelf will be replaced by the refuel or returnable system. 
Yeah. You think it perhaps will be a trend of of, our future. Do you think so? I think it's possible but as well one. Yeah, thing that I remain is very important that is what is exactly in it. So it must be very clear what the ingredients are. Yes, for all kinds of reasons, for the allergic persons and that you need to know what what you are buying. And that's not clear enough when it comes from a very big machine. Yeah. So that's a very important thing for me that what is exactly uh? What kind of stuff is in it? Yeah. Yes, I agree, okay then. That's all my questions for the follow up interview. 
 Thank you so much for sharing your opinion again with me. Yeah, and good luck. Thank you so much. Have a nice weekend. Bye. Bye bye. Bye. 